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SSJ Multipler; *50 or *10
Topic Started: Jun 1 2014, 10:12 AM (3,864 Views)
+ Pointer Jun 1 2014, 10:12 AM Post #1
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 The *50 is totally fits even until gohan defeats cell

In the Buu saga though It is not compatible with the Kiri metric system


Nevertheless The *10 cant fit during the android/cell saga , if so the base saiyans ' gain would be tramendous even in the android saga let alone post rosat.

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Vertical Jun 1 2014, 10:13 AM Post #2
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 I agree with neither.
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+ Pointer Jun 1 2014, 10:19 AM Post #3
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Vertical
Jun 1 2014, 10:13 AM
I agree with neither.
Less than 10 is totally nonsense , as more than 50

Between 10 and 50 might be questionable though

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Vertical Jun 1 2014, 11:17 AM Post #4
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Jun 1 2014, 10:13 AM
I agree with neither.
Less than 10 is totally nonsense , as more than 50

Between 10 and 50 might be questionable though
If that's what you want to believe. Personally, I believe such a thing to be a bit more complicated than a single mathematical operation like multiplication or addition.
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+ Emmeth Jun 1 2014, 11:22 AM Post #5
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 People only use x10 because they believe that Base Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin who in turn are stronger than Piccolo.

You shouldn't question math, you should question the undeniably unstable Kiri System.
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Vertical Jun 1 2014, 11:38 AM Post #6
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Jun 1 2014, 11:22 AM
People only use x10 because they believe that Base Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin who in turn are stronger than Piccolo.

You shouldn't question math, you should question the undeniably unstable Kiri System.
That wouldn't be the only reason people believe 10x to be their answer.

Other's can include (but may not be limited to):
  • Gero's calculations regarding his chances against Vegeta.
  • The implied difference between [Pre-RoSaT] Base Gotenks and [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks (and Goku).
  • Toriyama-sensei's original intent.
  • A personal preference to minimize bloating (bleh)

The Kiri system is probably the least likely to influence a persons decision regarding multipliers.
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+ Emmeth Jun 1 2014, 11:41 AM Post #7
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 I know this is controversial, but I like to follow the official SEG multipliers, even if it's not officially supported by AT. x50 just makes more sense to me.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:38 AM
Emmeth
Jun 1 2014, 11:22 AM
People only use x10 because they believe that Base Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin who in turn are stronger than Piccolo.

You shouldn't question math, you should question the undeniably unstable Kiri System.
That wouldn't be the only reason people believe 10x to be their answer.

Other's can include (but may not be limited to):
  • Gero's calculations regarding his chances against Vegeta.
  • The implied difference between [Pre-RoSaT] Base Gotenks and [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks (and Goku).
  • Toriyama-sensei's original intent.
  • A personal preference to minimize bloating (bleh)

The Kiri system is probably the least likely to influence a persons decision regarding multipliers.
What is your personal opinion?

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Vertical Jun 1 2014, 12:18 PM Post #9
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Jun 1 2014, 12:04 PM
Vertical
Jun 1 2014, 11:38 AM
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Jun 1 2014, 11:22 AM
People only use x10 because they believe that Base Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin who in turn are stronger than Piccolo.

You shouldn't question math, you should question the undeniably unstable Kiri System.
That wouldn't be the only reason people believe 10x to be their answer.

Other's can include (but may not be limited to):
  • Gero's calculations regarding his chances against Vegeta.
  • The implied difference between [Pre-RoSaT] Base Gotenks and [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks (and Goku).
  • Toriyama-sensei's original intent.
  • A personal preference to minimize bloating (bleh)

The Kiri system is probably the least likely to influence a persons decision regarding multipliers.
What is your personal opinion?
My personal opinion on how SSJ mathematically effects Ki would require a thesis... One that I am not in any state to be writing at the moment.

I'll throw out a few key points though:

I do not believe SSJ is x50 (personally, I'm not sure how anyone who has read the entirety of the series and dedicated a decent amount of time to these things ever could... but preachers will continue to preach).
I do not believe SSJ is x10.
I do not believe SSJ changes.
I do not believe SSJ is different between characters (fusions included).

EDIT: This series was created on the fly, with no heed given to mathematics... to believe that something as simple as "BasexSomething" would be suitable for every situation is laughable.
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Saberoph Jun 1 2014, 02:38 PM Post #10
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 The reason why I stull use x50 in the Boo arc is because even in the Boo arc it shows a SS can have their aura up when they're not at full power... Goten and Trunks at the lookout is proof of this, they Transform with an aura and then power up. It's obvious Kakarrot needed his aura with Yakon to be able to see, and he's smirking and not taking him seriously until Yakon sucks the SS right out of him (Yes, I worded it like that), Kakarrot gets serious and at that point Babidi never gauged Kakarrots Kiri when he's obviously putting out more power and gives a glimpse of his SS2.

That's why I don't follow x10 as the max SS power, but I do have a lowering SS Multiplier... but, my lower multiplier is only for the Transformation it's self, and leaves the SS room to power up, which is what we've seen from late Cell arc to end of Boo.
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ObsessiveFanBoy Jun 1 2014, 04:21 PM Post #11
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 There's always the Bringer Of Death's Fanfiction for anyone who don't want to believe in multipliers.
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Saberoph Jun 1 2014, 04:28 PM Post #12
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 Yeah, but it has no bearing on the source material with it being fan work. Comparing to the Manga and Anime a Fanfic is just as reliable as a Fanslation.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 1 2014, 05:40 PM Post #13
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

 Toriyama stated that he drew the Super Saiyan to look like it was 10x stronger.

I personally don't have a set multiplier for Super Saiyan, and believe everyone's increase is different. A multiplier kind of goes against everything that we know about Saiyan power not being predictable.
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TheGmGoken Jun 1 2014, 05:44 PM Post #14
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 Multiplier is plot.
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+ Pointer Jun 1 2014, 05:44 PM Post #15
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 okay but there has to be a mathematical difference between the two numbers/strength/ call it whatever you want ....Multiplier, increase , gain .

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